The numbers of post season wins Lebron has vs. 50 plus win teams?

DorianRo · May 27, 2015

A measily 7.

While guys like Jordan/Kobe, PLUS 20 wins. Pretty telling in terms of the disparity of competition.

The Derski · May 27, 2015

It tells me the east is weak as fuck and any team Lebron is on can blindfold themselves and make the finals.

hockey878 · May 27, 2015

where are those numbers coming from... pretty sure they aren't accurate.

2012-13 spurs won 50+ games
06-07 pistons also did

thats 8 right there. without even looking

shabazz916 · May 27, 2015

kobe had most of those under shaq tho

hockey878 · May 27, 2015

Didn't jordans team win 50+ games the season he retired?

Its also pretty safe to say he has consistently had a much better team around him. So while the east may have been tougher back then, jordan also had significantly more support.

LeBron James has thrived despite weak supporting casts - SBNation.com

hockey878 · May 27, 2015

Or are you saying series wins?

Because he has WAY more than 7 games won vs 50 win teams. Sorry if I misunderstood you there

DJ · May 27, 2015

Very telling.

trojanfan12 · May 27, 2015

To be fair, how many 50 win teams has he had a chance to beat playing in the east? The west has been pretty much head and shoulders above the east for Lebrons entire career and even before.

There have been years in the west where a 50-32 record wasn't good enough to get into the playoffs. Meanwhile, in the east, there are teams with losing records making the playoffs.

This is more of a statement about how bad the east is than about Lebron.

hockey878 · May 27, 2015

trojanfan12 said:
To be fair, how many 50 win teams has he had a chance to beat playing in the east? The west has been pretty much head and shoulders above the east for Lebrons entire career and even before.

There have been years in the west where a 50-32 record wasn't good enough to get into the playoffs. Meanwhile, in the east, there are teams with losing records making the playoffs.

This is more of a statement about how bad the east is than about Lebron.

Exactly. And consistent with the quality of other teams has been the quality of his has been lesser than the quality of the others mentioned.

None of those early cleveland teams had the talent to beat a legit 60 win team. Sure they had great regular season records, but at this point I think its fairly obvious how differen reg season vs post season is. Rest, travel, injures, lack of preparation can allow for anomalous "great" reg seasons. But when intense scouting, focus, equal rest come into play things tend to change a lot.

Since miami/this year he has been pretty successful. Also, beating the thunder should count as a 50+ win team. They won 47 of 66 games. I think its safe to say they'd have won at least 3 of those last 16 in a non strike shortened season

GNG · May 27, 2015

AZ-DbacksAZ said:
It tells me the east is weak as fuck and any team Lebron is on can blindfold themselves and make the finals.

Sgt Brutus · May 27, 2015

Go back to Canada ya fucking hosier

bksballer89 · May 27, 2015

hockey878 said:
where are those numbers coming from... pretty sure they aren't accurate.

2012-13 spurs won 50+ games
06-07 pistons also did

thats 8 right there. without even looking

OKC did also.

So did 2 of the 3 Pacers team he faced with Miami....also the Bulls from 2011 & 2015

bksballer89 · May 27, 2015

Useless thread.

East was obviously stronger back when MJ played.....Lebron can't help the other east teams improve

bksballer89 · May 27, 2015

7 still sound a bit low even if you're talking about series wins

trojanfan12 · May 27, 2015

bksballer89 said:
Useless thread.

East was obviously stronger back when MJ played.....Lebron can't help the other east teams improve

He helped Cleveland and Miami improve. :heh:

gordontrue · May 28, 2015

I just love vague stats with no sources that make no sense.

gordontrue · May 28, 2015

Game Wins:
3 vs '06 Pistons (64W), 4 vs '07 Pistons (53W), 3 vs '08 Celtics (66W), 2 vs '09 Magic (59W), 2 vs '10 Celtics (50W), 4 vs '11 Celtics (56W), 4 vs '11 Bulls (62W), 2 vs '11 Mavs (57W), 4 vs '12 Pacers (52W*), 4 vs '12 Thunder (58W*), 4 vs '13 Spurs (58W), 4 vs '14 Pacers (56W), 1 vs '14 Spurs (62W), 4 vs '15 Bulls (50W), 4 vs '15 Hawks (50W)

49 Playoff Wins vs 50-Win+ Teams (out of 113 playoff victories)

Series Wins:
'07 Pistons (53 wins), '11 Celtics (56W), '11 Bulls (62W), '12 Pacers (52W*), '12 Thunder (58W*), '13 Spurs (58W), '14 Pacers (56W), '15 Bulls (50W), '15 Hawks (60W)

9 Playoff Series Victories vs 50-Win+ Teams

8-2 in last 10 series vs 50-Win+ Teams

*82-game equivalent based on 66-game season

In 10 postseasons he's squared off against 15 50-Win teams. That doesn't sound extremely low to me.

ducky · May 28, 2015

Jordan never won a championship, let alone got a team to the championship, with a team as bad as this Cav team is now without Love and getting nothing from gimpy Irving. In fact this might be the worst team that I can think of to make the finals. They literally right now have Lebron and then nothing other than replacement level players around him at this point.

If Lebron can will this team to a title this year, we are going to have to for the first time seriously consider (it's been done a million times but before this it has always been premature) whether or not Lebron is better than Jordan.

That said: I think the Warriors roll the Cav's. This year will be about Curry cementing himself as the best overall shooter in NBA history rather than Lebron entering the conversation for GOAT.

Hornsstampede2.0 · May 28, 2015

It is 7 series wins

And it is correct. Although, the 66 game season of 2011-2012 skewed it a bit.

gordontrue · May 28, 2015

Another thing here is that the 50 win line of demarcation makes this stat deceptive.

Player A faced 10 50-win teams.
Player B faced 20 50-win teams.
This makes you think that Player A had it twice as hard. In reality, a 50-win team is not twice as good as a 49 win team. Its such an incomplete picture and bad way to look at it, IMO.

I have no doubt that the stats will show that Jordan had tougher paths to the Finals year in and year out.... but I 'd be much more interested in seeing average season wins per opponent or something like that that tells the whole picture.

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